Son, you have the best parents ever. All the other parents are just mumbling under their breath, “I can’t wait until Billy has kids of his own, then he’ll understand. Then it’ll be payback time!” I, on the other hand, am giving you the tools you’ll need to make sense of your Terrible Tween and his terrible Tween logic, should you choose to procreate some day. Trust me, it’ll save you tons of agony.
What other parent would provide such information and forgo the satisfaction of watching their grown-up child suffer at the hands of their own offspring?*
The following is a conversation I’m sure you’ll recognize. Have a read, then I’ll give you a bit of advice that should help you avoid the urge to jam a screwdriver in your eyes when you have the very same discussion with your own future tween.
Dad, I NEED Grand Theft Auto
This again? Well, as I said before, you can’t get Grand Theft Auto.
Why not?
Well, as I also said before, it’s a totally inappropriate game for someone your age.
But you don’t understand, I won’t do any of the bad stuff.
As I said last time you said that, it’s not that simple; the game is pretty much only bad stuff, so, no you won’t be getting it.
That’s not fair! Didn’t you hear me? I just promised I wouldn’t do the bad stuff.
I heard you making that promise, but you won’t be able to keep it because all you can do in the game is bad stuff.
You don’t understand! If you understood, you’d let me get it.
Well, then, I don’t understand and the answer is no.
But why not?
Really? We’re back to “Why not?” I already told you why. I’m sorry you don’t like my reason. You’re not getting the game.
But Dad, you aren’t listening to me! Why don’t you just listen to me for once?
I did listen and you failed to convince me and the answer is no.
Why can’t I have parents that care about me, like other kids have?
Oh, we care and that’s why we aren’t getting you Grand Theft Auto.
Yeah, right. If you care so much why don’t you listen to me? You hate me, that’s why. Admit it. Would you just LISTEN to me for once?!
Is what you’re going to say this time different from all the other times? Because I heard you all the other times.
Yes. It’s different.
I’m all ears, then. Go ahead, say what you want to say.
OK…I really need Grand Theft Auto.
Honey, have you seen my screwdriver?
Now, I know your side of the conversation makes total sense to you right now. But trust me, when you’re all grown up and that’s your kid, you’ll be reaching for the screwdriver real fast.
Granted, the biggest mistake in this example was allowing the conversation to happen in the first place. It shouldn’t have even made it past the first “why not.” But I’ve never been a fan of “because I said so,” and I keep thinking that someday the logic centers of a child’s brain have to start working.
Don’t they?
Then, I realize that the problem isn’t tween logic, it’s tween language.
When you’re a grown-up, I want you to re-read the conversation, but every time the kid says, “understand” replace it with “agree”, and every time the kid says, “listen” or “listening” replace it with “do what I want” or “doing what I want.” Finally, replace “care about me” with “let me have my way.”
Makes sense now, doesn’t it?
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* In the interest of full disclosure:
I’ll still be getting my sweet revenge, but I sure as hell am not waiting until you have kids to get it. Nope, I’ll be making early withdrawals on the Bank of Payback’s A Bitch: I’ll be chaperoning every one of your dates throughout high school.
lovethebadguy
April 3, 2013
“Need” is a word thrown around a lot these days, huh?
One of my favourite comedians, Adam Hills, talks about this. He overheard a child screeching at her father, “Daddy! I NEED a babyccino!”
“No… No. It is something that you WANT. It is something that you DESIRE. But never, on the face of the earth, has anyone ever NEEDED a babyccino.”
Of course, trying to explain that one does not NEED Grand Theft Auto would be like trying to thread beads onto a string with no knot on the end. 😛 Good luck with that!
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
I think what he really means by “need” is that I’m going to die from overexposure to whining if I don’t buy it. So technically, he doesn’t need GTA, I need to get him GTA.
afterthekidsleave
April 3, 2013
“Logic centres”….ahahahahaha!
Ahem.
I mean, yes, sure he’ll grow out of it. **snicker**
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Thanks for the, ahem, reassurance.
afterthekidsleave
April 3, 2013
I can afford to laugh. My little computer gamer is 30 years old now. And has his own Grand Theft Auto.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Yeah, go ahead, rub it in. Of course, by the time my son is 30, GTA will probably look like Barney and Friends compared to whatever kids are playing…
afterthekidsleave
April 3, 2013
I give you…Planetcide. I kid you not.
Steph
April 3, 2013
Oh Lordy. I’ve been hearing the same illogical arguments (not about Grand Theft Auto thankfully) from my 8 year old for about 2 years now. It can only get worse from here! Happy tween-ing to you!
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Sorry to be the one to point that out to you. Rest easy, though, knowing that in only 4 short years, you’ll have come close to rock bottom, then you get a nice, slow, 9 year climb back out of it.
Steph
April 3, 2013
Maybe rock bottom will be quieter and less annoying? If so, I’d like to get there sooner.
elysianhunter
April 3, 2013
Of course the logic void isn’t limited to tweens. When your (then) forty-something husband thinks that a Zippo is an appropriate birthday gift for your (then) twelve year old, BAD things follow. Such as said twelve year old substituting his Zippo for a flashlight to look for something under his bed, and instead of finding the elusive object, setting the box spring on fire.
But the tween logic void (and middle-aged brain fart) is nothing compared to what will happen (to boys anyway) when the Testosterone Demon pays his visit from ages 13-17. Joy and rapture- especially if the girls can’t keep their mitts off of him…:) I am so glad my son is over 21, not living with me, and gainfully employed! The fifty-something husband, well, he’s incorrigible.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Bahahaha…er, I mean, I’m sure Dad had something constructive in mind when handing your son an incendiary device to go off and play with. I bet you got rid of the bedbug problem, right?
Yes, my son is on the verge of going from thinking with a 12-year-old brain, to thinking with a, well you know what he’ll be thinking with. Yay.
elysianhunter
April 3, 2013
He will be thinking with the lower / smaller one for years to come, if he’s a normal, healthy male.
alittledforgoodmeasure
April 3, 2013
I have been having this types of exchanges with my 15 year old recently. I am learning to say, “My answer will not change, no need to keep having this conversation”.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Yup, I do think that’s the real solution here. The conversation shouldn’t even be happening at all once my son has said how he feels and I’ve made the decision. I’m not parenting by consensus. Using logic and adult reasoning with a person that doesn’t have the same tools to work with can’t be effective. It’s like arguing with a colorblind person about which ball is red and which is green. He says neither and you say it’s the one on the left. You might get mad at him for being stubborn, but you can’t be mad at him for being unable to see what you can see.
elysianhunter
April 3, 2013
Parenting is not a democracy. It’s a dictatorship. The goal of the parent is to get the offspring to a place where they are gainfully employed and independent of the parental units. That doesn’t happen by mollycoddling and indulgence.
This means refusing requests such as a “Jackass” film festival at a 12 year old’s sleepover.
This means saying “no” to a 15 year old’s demand for $100 skater pants- when he’s growing three inches per month and eating the equivalent of a side of beef a day.
A few months ago, (whilst riding around in my son’s sweet Audi A4, which he bought 100% on his own,) he says to me, “Thanks, Mom, for being such a hard ass.”
I almost cried. That was priceless. 🙂
jetts31
April 3, 2013
Can I substitute Grand Theft Auto for a second piercing in my daughter’s ear?
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Absolutely!
Melanie Crutchfield
April 3, 2013
Note to self: destroy screwdrivers before 2023.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Hahaha! Glad you’ve got some time to prepare!
ihopeiwinatoaster
April 3, 2013
Good Lord in Heaven! Can I freeze my soon-to-be-eight-year-old twin boys where they are right now? Thanks for showing me what’s ahead, Barmy. I only hope I have the integrety you show in nearly every post.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
You’re vry kind, sir.
I’m afraid freezing your twins might lead to unwelcome questioning from your neighbors. I wish you the best of luck!
Cindy Dwyer
April 3, 2013
My husband and I often reflect that we never had such lengthy debates with our parents. Once they said no the first time, that was the end of the conversation.
On the other hand, I also never had the guts to do what my 12 yo did tonight, which was to send a very polite email to her teacher saying, “I have an 89 and it’s almost the end of the term. What can I do for extra credit to get a 90?” Perhaps that’s because we didn’t have email when I was a kid, walking to school barefoot in the snow…
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Wow! I sure as heck wouldn’t have sent a note like that, via paper or hand-delivered after a barefoot hike in the snow. Whatever you’re doing with your 12 yo, keep it up!
The Life Of Jenni
April 3, 2013
My son is only 10 months old, but I am already getting prepared for the “because I said so” arguments. Although I’m not too sure how I’m going to keep him away from inappropriate video games when it’s how I relieve my stress during his naps..
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
Well, whatever you’re playing today won’t be considered inappropriate by the time your son’s a teen, if that’s any consolation. 😉
bloggerfather
April 3, 2013
On the one hand, you’re right that the conversation probably should have ended as soon as it started. On the other hand, “Because I say so,” is something our dads said, and we promised ourselves we’d be better dads, after all…
Ain’t easy.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
I agree. It ain’t easy. I’ve managed to avoid the BISS approach for 12 years now. I think the key, for me anyway, has been to make my reasons clear, let him state his case, but once that’s happened, if he still isn’t happy, too bad. He always gets a reason for the decision but that doesn’t mean he gets to choose whether to accept it. You can’t have GTA because it’s not appropriate for your age. Disagree? Thanks for telling me, but it’s my decision and I’ve made it.
Pastor James Miller
April 3, 2013
Brilliant! I’ve figured out a way to argue with my 9 year old and win: http://pastorjamesmiller.com/2013/03/22/how-to-argue-with-your-9-year-old-and-win-every-time/
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
April 3, 2013
The Jamba Juice technique!
avalongblog
April 6, 2013
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April 6, 2013
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memyselfandkids.com
April 8, 2013
It’s always you don’t understand, you are not listening when they don’t get the answer they want. My 9 yr old does that. No – I am listening (though you are not) and I understand completely. However, the answer is still no.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
July 25, 2013
“you don’t understand” = “you don’t agree with me.”
memyselfandkids.com
July 25, 2013
So true.
heathboo812
April 13, 2013
Lol kids, I don’t have any yet but I can see how that would make someone want to dive a screw driver in my eye
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
July 25, 2013
I recommend a Philips head over a flat head, in case you were wondering.
Tina
May 13, 2013
Good grief, you just described a typical day in my house with my 12 year old son. Everything, no matter how big or small becomes such a drama.
Barmy Rootstock (IBMP)
May 27, 2013
We always hear about 12-year-old girls being emotional time bombs. Nobody told me boys were too!
Tim
March 21, 2014
Oh the ‘because I said so’, worst reasoning (and mostly the only one) I ever received when I was a tween. Good to see you’re at least trying to make a case even though it is a bit one sided 😉
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